Presenting Ourselves

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Participants

Thoughts on what to discuss

  • Scary nuts are worse than harmless nuts
  • Can we not be perceived as nuts?
  • We live in a policitical climate in which you are expected to perceive half the world as nuts
  • It seems important to understand that fear of being outcast
  • Do they think we're nuts? We coulds ask and they lie ... we'll never know with 100%
  • What we're really worried are about the actions they might take
    • Deep space nine ... only judge people by what they do
  • Whose opinions about us matter?
    • What do the people we will have want to have attracted think about us.
    • There are people we want to attract to join us
    • And then there are people we want as neighbors
  • Parable of the Talents ... Shedding Acorn was needed

Discussion

Examples of groups that are quasi-religious and have problems

  • Landmark Education
    • Exercises within the course include how to deal with fears like fear of being an outcast
  • Rajnishis in Oregon
    • Some of them were scary
    • But had good places in Portland to get vegetarian food
    • Their problem was trying to politically control their surroundings, and trying to swing an election through illegal means
  • Saint-Simonians, technology- and future-focused religion and intentional community
    • Started trying to dig the Suez Canal
      • But it took someone with a different kind of big-picture view to finish it
    • Problems included belief in sexual promiscuity

General observations

  • People look scary when they seem to put their values above basic civilized values
  • People worry when their kids might get involved in a group that prevents them from being successful and/or ruins their lives
  • Also, religions (and rockets) are a source of power, and people fear the potential for power to "run amuck"
    • Keith: Catholic priests' celibacy helps avoid fear of sexual power

What if SolSeed was a religion (as well as other things)?

  • Religion should be an outgrowth of mysticism (which is a mythical embellishment of deep truth), not just invented
    • Keith: Even in the former case, it usually goes downhill from the mystic roots
      • Always ends up with a few leaders and many followers (who want to be followers)
      • Possible exceptions: Unitarians, Quakers
  • Religions are usually intolerant of each other
  • Brandon originally didn't want SolSeed to be a religion
    • During college he became a militant atheist and was in conflict with his parents, even though they share core values
    • Unfortunately, the superficial ends up trumping that common core
      • Keith: especially in politics, where all Rep vs. Dem activism is anti-American in the sense of destroying the idea of common purpose
  • In not being a religion you give up access to the mystical tradition, the experience of being one with others
    • This may be frightening, but in order to accomplish any collective project you must give up some of your individuality
    • The ideal organization would work because it has the right people who each have the skills and desire to fill a specific role, but this rarely happens
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